hepcatpixie @ May 19 2003, 17:13:59 UTC

I think your Colin Creevy theory is possible. I have doubted the sorting hat's sorting expertise for a very long time. For example Percy, he's all ambitious and sneeky and odd, but for some reason he's in Gryffindor. The sorting hat seems to allow itself to be bossed around alot, maybe Colin is really sneeky and underhanded (though I think it's more likely he's just a bit of an idiot) and so deserves to be in Slytherin.

spoke @ May 19 2003, 17:22:41 UTC

Ah, but you see: sneeky and underhanded (though I think it's more likely he's just a bit of an idiot) does not equal Slytherin. It equals Hufflepuff. Which is quite possibly why they're uspposed to be suc hard workers:it's meant to wear them down so they don't have the time and energy to go around acting like certain people (coughMacmilliancough)

Percy, though... eep!

hepcatpixie @ May 19 2003, 17:42:48 UTC Re:

you're right.

Slytherin? Colin doesn't appear to be cunning enough. Unless of course he's an evil genius in which case go him. I Don't know how welcome he'd be in Slytherin house now that I think about it, being muggle born and all that. Hufflepuff seems most likely, but it's pretty hard to really tell.

spoke @ May 19 2003, 17:45:59 UTC

But he doesn't have to be cunning, just evil; witness that Crabbe and Goyle are in Slytherin. ^^ I'm not sure about the muggle-born thing; maybe if you're evil enough, it doesn't matter? ^_^ We'll see what happens with Draco if it turns out his Mother isn't a pure-blood.

hepcatpixie @ May 19 2003, 18:06:49 UTC Re:

It could be that draco's family has stayed pure-blooded through in-breeding. But the malfoys don't seem to have much wrong with them except for lack of conscience so this seems unlikely.

nightflight @ May 19 2003, 18:14:25 UTC

Forgive me if my brain isn't functioning and this is wrong, but wasn't Tom Riddle a half-blood? Therefore the matter of parentage shouldn't really matter when it comes to Slytherin as long as one parent is of pure descent.

Or something.

::probably read this entire thread wrong, in which case, pretend she doesn't exist:: XD

Anonymous @ May 19 2003, 19:24:42 UTC

Yes, Riddle is a half-blood, I alway wondered why HE was the Heir of Slytherin when the house founder believed that magic should only be taught to those with untainted blood. Perhaps, Riddle is descended from Slytherin and is the person who most closely resembles him in thought and action.

I just hope that Rowling explains it in some future book.

neveth @ May 19 2003, 20:15:50 UTC

I remember that Tom HATED the fact that his father was a mudblood. That's why he changed his name to Voldemort.

babytyggeryss @ May 19 2003, 20:46:30 UTC

Tom's father left his wife and unborn child after discovering she was a witch. Because Tom grew up with other unwanted children, he might have felt that all Muggles are bad. This belief would have been fed when he discovered ideas of his House Founder.

An equation for Voldemort might look like this:
Tom M. Riddle + Parents' actions + Childhood experiences + Magic + Founder's ideas = Lord Voldemort.

milenalupin @ May 20 2003, 06:04:40 UTC

She did already.
Chamber of Secret scene - Tom explains to Harry that his mother can in fact follow her bloodline back to Salazar Slytherin himself, and therefore his worthless Muggle father shouldn't have been allowed to scratch the dirt from her shoes. Instead he left her pregnant, when he learned that she was a witch.

hepcatpixie @ May 20 2003, 14:51:23 UTC

Mudblood hating is a metaphore for racism isn't it? Then I suppose it's meant to show that muggle-hating is irrational. That the Heir of Slytherin can hate muggles even being half muggle himself. It didn't help, i'm sure, that his father was a bastard.

vellum @ May 19 2003, 17:21:00 UTC

if you're able to, you can send them to my email up on my bio and i'd be more than happy to upload them for you.

i'm not entirely sure i'd want to see neville overcome that memory charm, because there could be only one thing it'd be hiding... oooh boy.

probably ravenclaw, me thinks. oh, creevey. ::sighs sadly::

spoke @ May 19 2003, 17:26:13 UTC

oh! Thank you! (goes to get email now)

siren52684 @ May 19 2003, 17:35:07 UTC

actually...i don't mean to rain on your evil!neville parade, but if you weren't at the NAchat, they (the players) pretty much came out and said, "neville isn't evil." so...um...yeah...

spoke @ May 19 2003, 17:37:17 UTC

I wasn't, actually. Darn. ;_;

Thanks for telling me, though.

siren52684 @ May 19 2003, 17:38:10 UTC Re:

i think they're in the process of logging all the questions/things discussed/etc...so they'll all be posted here in due time. or something to that extent...

takeonelook @ May 19 2003, 18:00:53 UTC

There was an NAchat? 0_0

When? Was it for anyone?

Did the players reveal anything else? Any interesting tidbits?

siren52684 @ May 19 2003, 18:38:50 UTC Re:

there was. it was mentioned in the Nraged community about 3 times.

last saturday night. midnight CST.

shitloads.

takeonelook @ May 19 2003, 19:04:19 UTC

Damn.

I was studying for finals so no wonder I missed it.

Now I'm curious as hell.

Here's to hoping they post that chat log you mentioned soon.

anjaliesque @ May 19 2003, 19:10:47 UTC

You might have missed the locked posts about them if if you haven't properly friended the community, meaning you can't see locked posts or post a new topic.

takeonelook @ May 19 2003, 19:37:09 UTC

Actually I haven't properly friended the community. So then yeah, if all the chat posts were locked then no wonder I never saw them. That and I wasn't online much cause of finals, so even if I would've been able to see them I probably wouldn't have but anyway.

Thanks for letting me know ^_^

I mean I know I can't start threads but I didn't know I was missing out on posts.

So thanks again.

bookshop @ May 19 2003, 22:34:51 UTC

We don't normally lock posts. We locked these because NA didn't want the whole world storming the chat--we wanted specifically Nraged folks with Nraged questions. So, that's why.

takeonelook @ May 19 2003, 23:35:21 UTC Re:

Oh okay. Yeah that makes sense.

So someone mentioned that there was maybe going to be a log of the chat questions/answers posted.
Can you confirm this? ( ha, I sound all professional)

notapipe @ May 19 2003, 21:30:40 UTC *was computerless on saturday*

Fuck. Excuse my french. Well, the Punisher isn't evil, right?

Besides, it's not like Harry and Draco have been having sex for the past couple of months, and that never stopped us from wishing they were.

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spoke @ May 20 2003, 05:44:44 UTC Re: *was computerless on saturday*

And thank you, as well, because I was very very disappointed, here. Crushed, even. (sniffles)

(hugs evil!Neville icons) (plushies.. oh now i want a stuffed frog... crapithinkhormonesaresettinginCRAP!)

spoke @ May 20 2003, 05:41:46 UTC Re: *was computerless on saturday*

Thank you! No, no excuse necessary, your French is exactly how I felt too. ;_; But I have not given up completely, and damn it, (excuse my French) I will still write... stuff! Of a nature that will not be disclosed. <.< >.> (I love sneaky smilies ^_^)

(hugs her evil!Neville icons)

sistermagpie @ May 19 2003, 17:48:54 UTC

I think he belongs in Gryffindor. Every house can produce good people and embarassments--Colin's just one of the bad ones.

Even though he's acting like an idiot now, he's still basically trying to stand up and fight for what's right. He's righteously throwing himself against the infidel just like a good Gryff...he just happens to also be completely wrong and bigotted. Note the complete contrast to Draco who never had any high-minded ideals when it came to Harry, just personal ambition and hatred. And he's kicking up too much trouble for Hufflepuff.

Yeah, he's a Gryffindor, imo. Every house has its black sheep, I guess!

spoke @ May 19 2003, 17:58:21 UTC

Good points. Darn, it was fun to poke fun at Creevy! Although, I don't suppose this has to stop me, really. >:)

I don't know about kicking up too much trouble, though: Macmillian seems to want to make a spectacle of himself recently. O.o's at the ever-changing lingo of the Macmillian.

And now, sadly, I must go to work. Augh!

moonlitpages @ May 19 2003, 19:42:21 UTC

Yeah, that's pretty much what I think. It does take a considerable amount of courage to stand up against one's former hero, even if the reasons for it are completely misguided. Just because someone is brave and daring doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

notapipe @ May 19 2003, 21:44:59 UTC

Indeed, in fact he was pretty courage-less before, just hiding behind Harry's robes.

I love your icon.

moonlitpages @ May 19 2003, 23:38:08 UTC

True- one could even go so far as to say that he is actually beginning to display courage for the first time recently (that we have seen), such as when he began verbally attacking Draco, etc. Even if it is in the most annoying way possible and half the time I just want to smack him.

Hee, thanks. I had way too much fun playing with those pictures.

nightflight @ May 19 2003, 17:53:40 UTC

Just so everyone knows, I'm working on making that na_icons community. >.> Should be up shortly. =P More details later.

anjaliesque @ May 19 2003, 18:15:30 UTC

People are too diverse to be so neatly categorized into strictly-defined houses. I think the Sorting Hat knows what it's doing, and put everyone where it did for a reason. Just because Harry asked to not be put in Slytherin and wasn't doesn't mean it can be pushed around; only, as we learn later, that Harry, by asking, wasn't meant to be a Slytherin. Besides- did Colin even know who Harry Potter was when he was Sorted? Even if he did, I don't see why he'd be worshiping him already.

I'm sure I read something like this recently, and just can't remember where- but to reiterate, the Sorting Hat must find something deep inside a person that indicates the house. Surely Neville came through in that aspect eventually, what's to say that Colin will and never be Gryffindor? And for borderline people who can easily adjust, the Hat just puts them in the House needing more people to maintain even populations.

Just because the Malfoys and Weasleys have a history of the same respective house doesn't mean that everyone ends up that way. Sure, Percy may seem more like a Ravenclaw, but I don't think the Hat was just putting him in Gryffindor because it can't tell the Weasleys apart. I have too much respect for it to believe that (okay, am scared to find myself respecting a hat). The Weasleys, perhaps because of the way they are raised, all have an inner sense of Gryffindor, no matter how deep it is. Same for the Malfoys. That doesn't mean the House ideals are set in stone. If we believe in redeemed!Malfoy complete with the wiles of a Slytherin, then surely there's just as much possibility for evil!Weasley using all the Gryffindor courage s/he possesses.

I of course don't believe that Slytherin=evil. Many Gryffindors and others believe it, but they have a long history of enmity towards Slytherin. And the Slytherins insist Gryffindor=weak, but we all know that isn't true. There's no way that a group of completely like-minded people can get along perfectly well. Each house has to be diverse in itself, and that's where you get ones like Neville, Colin, Crabbe, Goyle, Ernie, etc. The house ideals might also define the aura of the residents, for example cunning meaning that the Slytherins are well-experienced with intrigues and deception. But I hardly think NA!Pansy is "evil," and as malicious as Snape might be, he is nevertheless on Dumbledore's side.

Well, to summarize, I think Colin belongs in Gryffindor. I think the Hat thinks in long-term effects, and that the house one goes into shapes one's future. While yes, we do ultimately shape our own future, I think the house has a lot of influence, and I don't think Colin would be the same person if he had been in any other house but Gryffindor. In the mists of time, perhaps there was a Weasley or Malfoy who threw themselves to the giant squid because they weren't put in the house they wanted, but I think by doing this they were missing out on what exactly they could have become as individuals. They might be the most Gryffindorish person ever and get into Hufflepuff, and thus there's something inside them that can be developed in ways that only Hufflepuff that can accomplished.

Yeah. Stopping now.

hepcatpixie @ May 20 2003, 15:48:06 UTC

They might be the most Gryffindorish person ever and get into Hufflepuff, and thus there's something inside them that can be developed in ways that only Hufflepuff that can accomplished.

well, my thoughts are a bit hazy at the moment so I'll try to make as much sense as possible.

The sorting hat told Harry that he would do well in Slytherin, but he still wanted more than anything to be placed in Gryffindor, so the hat obliged. If someone is so determined to be in Gryffindor that they'd throw themselves into the lake upon being sorted into Hufflepuff or whatever, wouldn't they pretty much do the same thing as Harry did?
Be all "Gryffindor, Gryffindor, Gryffindor".

Therfore despite the possibility of something inside them being developed by Hufflepuff, they would be sorted into Gryffindor instead because that's what they truly want. The sorting hat most probably just puts people where they really want to go. A cunning person whose heard of Slytherin will probably not want to be put into Hufflepuff. Maybe that's how it works out in the end.

There's lots of arguments that can be brought up from this, but that's how I see it.

slinkhard @ May 21 2003, 08:22:45 UTC

I agree. I think the House puts you where you want, and I have absolutely no respect for it.
Hermione, Ron, Harry and Draco all expressed prior wishes as to their houses, so they went there.
Crabbe and Goyle don't have very fleshed out characters in canon apart from two details: their loyalty (proven by things like Crabbe's immediate motion to pick up Ferret!Draco, or his and Goyle's cracking their knuckles threateningly when Draco is being disparaged behind his back), suiting them for Hufflepuff; and their bloodline (Fathers both Death Eaters.) Naturally they would want to be in the house of both their fathers (presumably) and Draco. So that's where they go in loyalty, despite the fact this loyalty qualifies them for Hufflepuff.