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queeniefox @ 2004-04-21 21:27:00 |
And it goes on
Mood: 
worried
Another Lucius post.
Quite frankly I'm past trying to work out what he's on about now. *leaves it to more intelligent people*
EDIT: to save other people saying it, the poem is 'Lucifer in Starlight' by George Meredith.
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dry_your_eyes @ April 21 2004, 20:36:52 UTC |
lol *leaves it to more intelligent people*
that's what I should do as well, honestly :)
but I just wanted to say that that comment with a Frost poem was the last straw. *smothers bastard Lucius*
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queeniefox @ April 21 2004, 20:39:57 UTC |
That actually truly scared me (or at least as much as I can be scared by events on a RPG). That poem's quite popular on NA actually, Lupin's used it before.
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dry_your_eyes @ April 21 2004, 20:43:53 UTC |
yes I know, that's why it's so .. treacherous? He's almost mocking him. But then -maybe not :)
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ex_delz @ April 21 2004, 20:44:14 UTC |
George Meredith! Lucius's player has good taste in poetry.
(parent)| lashmi @ April 21 2004, 20:49:08 UTC |
That's "Lucifer in Starlight" by George Meredith. As for a interpretation I will follow your lead and leave it to others.
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queeniefox @ April 21 2004, 20:51:15 UTC |
In the poem Lucifer is obviously sick of his job. He wants out? But something stops him, or changes his mind - the 'unalterable law'.
There's nothing that can be done about the situation?
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ex_delz @ April 21 2004, 20:54:38 UTC |
Unalterable law - everything has its own place in the world and you can't change that no matter how hard you try?
Is Lucius telling us that he's tired of being a Death Eater? Somehow, I doubt it.
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queeniefox @ April 21 2004, 20:57:05 UTC |
Yeah, it was that that got me confused. Maybe he's saying there's no reason that he should be sick of it because he's doing something that has to be done?
(parent)| steph_hime @ April 21 2004, 20:56:06 UTC |
Maybe Lucius is getting sick of all the negative comments to him, and is beginning to regret becoming a DE? I can kind of sympathism with him, even if he is putting himself deeper in crap.
(parent)| dr_jekyl @ April 21 2004, 21:03:32 UTC |
Well, in the poem Lucifer is trying to reach heaven, but runs afoul of a higher authority - God.
If we assume Lucifer is Lucius in this instance (and I'm not entirely certain it is him), then there are a couple of ways I can think of that this can be read.
The first is the obvious one - the higher authority is Voldemort, who refuses to let any of his followers leave the fold.
The second one, which I like better, is that the higher authority is the rest of wizarding society - the Weasleys, Sirius, Lupin, Harry, et all. The good guys. Lucius 'fell' when he joined the Death Eaters. Because of that, and the sins he has committed since then that compound that first infraction, the forces of good will never allow him to join them. There is no out - he will always be banished to Hell, unless somehow he succeeds in overthrowing God.
Erm. Yes.
I don't know if that makes any sense. It's rather late, and I'm probably the only English undergrad in the world who does not study poetry.
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ex_delz @ April 21 2004, 21:11:28 UTC |
I rather like the second idea as well. But you also make a good point - Lucifer and Lucius sound the same, but is he referring to himself in this case? Something to ponder.
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Anonymous @ April 21 2004, 20:55:49 UTC |
Perhaps the quotes will lend themselves to something you can use in your papers? If not, I'm sorry... I'll be good. As good as I can be.
--his player
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ex_delz @ April 21 2004, 21:06:14 UTC |
In the poem, the sinners are basically just the people living on Earth. Original sin and what not.
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ex_delz @ April 21 2004, 21:16:04 UTC |
For some odd reason, I'm thinking that it refers to everyone that isn't on Lucius's side of things.
(parent)| fluffers @ April 21 2004, 21:05:26 UTC |
Interesting choice...
Lucifer in Starlight summary:
So if anyone doesn't know, Lucifer was one of God's angels, decides he really want to be the one in charge, incites a revolt against God which is obviously not cool, and gets kicked out of Heaven.
So in this poem, he rises out of Hell because he's tired of it. So he rises above the earth (not to en, just kinda in space), where he looks down and watches the humans, the sinners. The next part varies, depending on interpretation, and I can't remember what we talked about in class.
So anyway, he's cruising over the earth, and is reminded of the days of the Revolt that got him tossed out on his arse.
He looks up at Heaven, the thing he wanted SO badly, and then he sees 'the army of unalterable law', which, depending again on interpretation, is either Angels, or just the stars/heavens. And so then he sinks away as he realizes he'll never get there, and his only place is Hell. As to what the 'unalterable law' is, it's like God's law, and the dominion of God, the fact that everything has it's place. But Lucifer keeps trying anyway, even though he'll never be successful, he never really learns that he can't defeat the law.
What's interesting to me is that I'm not sure who Lucius intends Lucifer and God to be in this....my gut tells me he looks on Dumbledore, or some head of the resistance, as Lucifer, who keeps trying to rise up against a force they'll never beat (God/Voldemort).
| fluffers @ April 21 2004, 21:20:47 UTC |
I kinda picked Dumbledore out of a hat to stand as Lucifer, but I have no doubt that Lucius sees him as a meddling old fool, who will never give up the resistance, no matter the cost.
I wish I could remember what that middle part was about, about the sinners and prey!
| nabiki @ April 22 2004, 04:16:15 UTC |
but really, it was good old voldie who was defeated, and he's been in hiding, the ones "in control" per say is the ministry and all the people death eaters would consider sinners in a way because of the mudbloods and all that..so it is rather ironic..
(parent)| onthehillside @ April 21 2004, 21:32:46 UTC |
I'm not even going to try to figure out what Lucius is saying here, but why is he saying it? What's the point? Maybe he's trying to send signals to someone on NA, but who?
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ex_delz @ April 21 2004, 23:55:05 UTC |
Somewhere, Voldemort sits in front of his orange iMac and squeals with delight, "George Meredith! That means he's killed the twins!" as he points to his colour coordinated chart of which poem means which crime.
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