bookofjude @ May 3 2003, 18:13:41 UTC

Looshie isn't SHINY. *weeps*

psychobarfly @ May 3 2003, 19:28:16 UTC

*pats*

non_inferno @ May 3 2003, 19:48:55 UTC

Your icon--I have always thought that clowns were scary, but that was before I saw this. I will have nightmares.

psychobarfly @ May 3 2003, 19:51:20 UTC

Aw, don't close your eyes yet, baby, we're just getting to the fun part.

>:D

non_inferno @ May 3 2003, 19:54:02 UTC Re:

Aaah. Never mind the nightmares. The real thing is creepier.

The earring is a nice touch, though.

psychobarfly @ May 3 2003, 19:58:21 UTC

I rather thought so. :D

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 20:20:16 UTC

Red eyebrows?

Though that's seriously disturbing. Partially because with real colored eyebrows and slightly less rouge on the cheeks, he would make an attractive (though rather dykish) female.

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 20:39:56 UTC

I think that's just a lot of eyeshadow, actually.

And he would be a good looking girl. Snape, on the other hand, would not. :)

psychobarfly @ May 3 2003, 20:55:39 UTC

*affronted!* (>:D<)

notapipe @ May 4 2003, 00:44:05 UTC

You know, he looks kinda like a dark-haired over-rouged Kate Mulgrew (Captain Janeway)

psychobarfly @ May 4 2003, 00:49:14 UTC

Yeah, I can kinda see that . . . good heavens! That . . . that is v. v. frightening. Yes it is.

sistermagpie @ May 3 2003, 18:17:07 UTC

I brought this up on the other thread but maybe it's more appropriate here...is anybody else wondering about Lucius' motives in suddenly letting Draco "come around" on something? Wouldn't he usually just order him to behave correctly? Does he want them to continue to have problems and not speak?

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 19:03:32 UTC

I never thought of it that way. If Narcissa and Draco aren't getting along, Narcissa might not think Lucius was being too harsh on their son and might go back to the Manor? Hm, interesting.

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 18:36:02 UTC

Why is it so much funnier when it's "butt" than "ass"? This has plauged me all the way from when I read your post to when I pressed reply and typed this.

tropes @ May 3 2003, 18:38:29 UTC

I don't know, but that's why I HAD to type "butt." EEEEeheheeehehe, I'm laughing now just typing it and imagining Looshie's reaction to being called a butt.

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 18:43:02 UTC

Hmmm, I don't think "muffinass" would work very well.

tropes @ May 3 2003, 18:44:47 UTC

Indeed it would not.

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 18:45:57 UTC

Though I think it would be something Arthur Weasley could say anyway.

tropes @ May 3 2003, 18:51:18 UTC

Ya know, I think Arthur Weasley calling Looshie "muffin arse" would just about make my year. Too bad I can't think of any context where muffins would come up. Scones, perhaps?

zhonnika @ May 3 2003, 18:55:29 UTC

HAHAHA! Ya bloody scone arse!

Okay, doesn't have the effect, but eh.

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 18:55:36 UTC

I think "scone arse" loses some the "muffin arse" je ne se quas.

tropes @ May 3 2003, 18:58:31 UTC

Exactly. Oh well. I'll have to fanagle some other way to get a shout-out from the most charming clan in the world.

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 19:05:31 UTC

Waaah, can't spell franglais, feel like a total maroon.

athene_51 @ May 3 2003, 19:20:17 UTC

I think "Je ne sais quoi" is what you're looking for :)

tropes @ May 3 2003, 19:25:03 UTC

Indeed. I was tactfully ignoring the typo. ;D

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 20:00:57 UTC

Sorry I wasted all your tact for nothing.

tropes @ May 3 2003, 20:04:01 UTC

You're forgiven. Can I just say? NRaged is so much fun. I loff you all.

imochan @ May 3 2003, 19:27:26 UTC

the best thing about franglais is that it has no real spelling. Seat-of-your-pantalon sort of thing.

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 18:47:47 UTC

*feels like the only one hoping for L/N*

tropes @ May 3 2003, 18:53:22 UTC

Aww, don't be sad, muffin.

But, um, I'm just wondering, why are you rooting for them? I mean, I know I'm hoping they stay apart b/c I think Narcissa could be a better person when out from under Lucius's influence, but what's your take?

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 19:07:27 UTC

First of all, it's been my OTP since forever, so that's part of it. ;)

Secondly, I just don't think Narcissa can survive without Lucius and all the luxuries of the Manor, and not only for materialistic reasons. She may be a better person living with Remus, but she'll be miserable without anyone to love. Living with Sirius and Remus, a married couple, will only make things worse for her.

Plus, I may be wrong, but I think NA!Lucius and Narcissa really do love each other. It's obvious that Narcissa loves Lucius, and true, Lucius is probably just saying those things about the Manor being empty to win her back, but the point is, why would he want her back if he didn't really love her and miss her? At the beginning of this calamity, when he was still mad at her, he went around preaching that he had no use for her at the Manor and anyone who wanted her could take her. Now that he's partially gotten over it, I think he's letting it show that really does miss her. I'm probably just being over-optimistic, but still. -.-

And maybe I'm just not that interested in Narcissa becoming a "better person". To me, it's the next thing to redemption. I can't envision anything but WickedAndMorallyAmbiguous!Narcissa.

tropes @ May 3 2003, 19:22:02 UTC

Hm. I guess I interpreted Lucius's statements about missing her to eb manipulation. Lucius, in my worldview, like power and control. Right now, both Draco and Narcissa are out of his control. That can't be comfortable for him. So he's trying to buy her back into the manor where he has utter dominion. When Narcissa's there, all he has to do is fill her martini glass and give her a chalet, and she's in heaven.

I don't want Narcissa to be redeemed, per se, but I would like to see how her sudden thirst for maternal redemption pans out. So I hope she stays away for a while longer, because I love to see her all "empowered."

But maybe I'm just more cynical.

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 19:31:39 UTC

Yes, but personally I think it's extremely possible for Narcissa to be "empowered" whilst still residing with Lucius.Maybe being away for a while will help achieve that, I don't know. But for now I'd just like to see the Malfoys together again. And I must say, I feel rather sorry for Lucius.

The problem with NA!Lucius and Narcissa is that their relationship isn't balanced enough. If Narcissa were able to keep up with each and every one of Lucius's mind games with one of her own, then we'd be talking canon.

tropes @ May 3 2003, 19:35:29 UTC

The problem with NA!Lucius and Narcissa is that their relationship isn't balanced enough. If Narcissa were able to keep up with each and every one of Lucius's mind games with one of her own, then we'd be talking canon.

I guess that's why I don't hold out that much hope for Narcissa's continued empowerment if she goes back. She can be highly suggestible. And Lucius is awfully cunning and manipulative.

But all we can do is wait and wibble.

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 19:41:36 UTC

The suggestible part is what I've never been able to understand about NA!Narcissa. I always had the image of CruelManipulativeBitch!Narcissa with Lucius wrapped around her little finger set in my mind. It's certainly been an adjustment. I constantly struggle to remind myself what's OOC and what's not for NA's Narcissa.

But all we can do is wait and wibble.

Hear, hear.

Anonymous @ May 3 2003, 20:03:11 UTC

We know very little about Narcissa in canon; she made her first real appearance in Book IV and we know that someone sends Draco sweets from home. Given the interaction between Sire and Heir, we can reasonably assume that the sweets weren't from Lucius.

From what little we know about the Malfoys, I drew the conclusion that Lucius rules his family. He has always seemed to be the type of person who likes control. NA captures this perfectly. Every time Narcissa wanted to do something to improve herself (the bad hair-cut is the best example), Lucius would counter with an outing or other expensive gift.

The most recent example of this was in the last communication between them. Narcissa stated that she plans to return to Remus's estate. Lucius then comments that he as made arrangements for his wife to get pampered this upcoming Monday and invites Remus along. Remus has class on Monday and Lucius knows this, presenting him alone time with his wife to wear down her resolve and return her to HIS house and under his thumb.

This man knows his wife. He knows that she may not be able to live without the lifestyle he can give her. This is reinforced by the fact that he cut her off from HER own family when she first left him. He has showered her with expensive gifts, arranging it in such a way so they spend more time together.

While I don't doubt Nacissa's love for her husband, I doubt his love for her. Lucius enjoys his little verbal wars with Sirius and showed up to Sirius's party UNINVITED. Until Lucius stops flirting with other men and stops giving his wife gifts to shift her attention back to him and away from people, ideas, and experiences that could enhance her as a person, mother, and wife, I will continue to have my doubts.

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 19:05:21 UTC

You are not alone. :) I really want them together again.

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 19:16:35 UTC

Yay! :)

What irks me is that right after stinky old Sirius was FINALLY out of the picture, Narcissa had to go and leave! Honestly, she needs to learn to seize the opportunity.

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 19:18:42 UTC

Haha, really. :) I hate NA's Sirius, by the way.

Anonymous @ May 3 2003, 19:33:34 UTC

I like him. I love how protective he is over Remus. I loved his interaction with Snape when they both gott piss-drunk together. And while we're at it, I loved his interaction with Harry a few weeks ago. :)

To Sirius' player: Fantastic job. :D

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 19:43:01 UTC

Oh, I think Sirius' player does a great job too, it's just that the way Sirius acts rubs me the wrong way. It's probably how mean he is to Draco, my favorite character.

Anonymous @ May 3 2003, 22:17:03 UTC

But Draco being mean to ... well everyone doesn't bug you?

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 23:50:27 UTC

Well, it bothers me, sure, but it's not the same as what Sirius does. Sirius seems to.... He's a teacher, right? No teacher should be that horrible to his student no matter what. His teacher/student relationship with Draco is not what it should be. I know that if one of my teachers said the sort of things to me that Sirius says to Draco, I would be shocked and I'd probably cry. It all comes down to the teacher/student relationship for me.

Anonymous @ May 4 2003, 21:47:58 UTC

I agree. That's the main reason I don't care for NA Sirius- it's not just that Draco's my favorite character and I don't want anyone to be mean to him; the problem I have is that Sirius is in a professional position of authority, yet he acts spiteful and immature toward one of his students. A lot of authors characterize Sirius as "immature" in the sense of being spontaneous, playful, exhuberant, silly, a prankster, etc, and I have no problem with that. What I dislike is an adult who is in a position of responsiblity who behaves immaturely with students. I don't like the idea of a teacher who makes no secret of the fact that he despises a student and his family, makes personal attacks (name calling, etc), says negative things about one student to another, and so on. Not just during the recent debacle- he's made quite a few childishly snide comments to Draco. Of course Draco often spouts nasty rubbish- he'a a mean little twerp. But, a teacher should respond in a professional manner. If Draco makes some crude remark (like Sirius/Remus bestiality comment), a teacher ought not respond, "Look who's talking, ferret-face!" There's a proper "adult" way for parents and teachers to handle attitude/discipline problems that doesn't involve insults and threats. Of course Snape treats Harry much the same way, but it's pretty much agreed that Snape is being a jerk, whereas it seems many people approve of Sirius' behavior because Draco "deserves" it.

On the other hand, while I find this potrayal of Sirius kind of annoying, I realise that it does make for a lot of drama, which is entertaining to read. Of course I don't mean to say that it's wrong to characterize Sirius this way, just that it's not how I myself see him.

sistermagpie @ May 3 2003, 19:25:22 UTC

I'm with you. I think they belong together, absolutely. I like them bad, too.

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 19:37:09 UTC

Thank god...^_^

The general sentiment around here just seems to be leaning more towards Redeemed!Narcissa, and I've just been thinking why?

sistermagpie @ May 3 2003, 19:47:01 UTC

I think I interpret her recent actions differently than many. I don't think she's really all that changed now. I think she's making some changes but I haven't seen an overhaul of personality or a big change of priorities. Not that I think this is a bad thing, at all, characterwise.:-)

It's just occured to me to wonder if Vector is going to reply to her post and start an argument that will be painful for any Little Dragons who might be reading...

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 19:53:27 UTC

Personally, I hope she doesn't rearrange her priorities! She had nice priorities before: 1. Herself, 2. Lucius & Draco, 3. Everything else. Remus really doesn't need a place in there, now does he?

It's just occured to me to wonder if Vector is going to reply to her post and start an argument that will be painful for any Little Dragons who might be reading...

Aw, I hope not. I hope she replies, but I also hope it doesn't spark an argument that would ultimately hurt Draco. He's going through enough as it is.

Now there's another character I always envisioned differently. In fact, I always saw Narcissa and Vector as old friends, as well as Narcissa and Sinistra, and it's exactly the opposite in NA. NA!Vector's such a cow, though.

Anonymous @ May 3 2003, 20:39:37 UTC

Narcissa is a mother. The best parents always have their child's best interests at heart all the time.

Narcissa knows very little about her son, up to this point all she has cared about is her and the gifts she gets from her husband (or lack of gifts) That is now coming around to bite her in the butt. Something is deeply troubling her son and he won't talk to her.

I realize that Draco is 16-17, an age were children hide things from their parents, but this goes beyond that. Most children would tell their parents "I'm mad at you!" and MAY tell them what is wrong but Draco is striking back at his mother in the only way he knows how, by not giving her what she wants.

As far as Remus as a priority, I have always thought that friends were one. After all, friends give you love and support (as Remus is doing now and has ALWAYS done), among many other things. Where would you be without your friends? Where would we all be? I can honestly say, my life wouldn't be as full without mine.

sistermagpie @ May 3 2003, 20:51:15 UTC

Well put. I think it's important to note, too, that Draco has made little veiled attempts to say why he's angry, like when he brought up her forgetting his age. She responded, in character, by being defensive and saying she had a lot on her mind, which I think showed that she really wasn't ready to do what would need to be done to really communicate. So when she asks Draco to tell her what's wrong so she can fix it I think she's made it clear that she will only hear acceptable answers. If Snape's being mean to him, she'll talk to Snape; if he broke his broom she'll get him a new broom. She's not ready to hear what's really bothering him imo.

I do think Remus has always been a priority, although I think as a friend and a grown man he's much more able to accept what Narcissa has to offer without wanting more. Draco, as her son (and especially when he was young) couldn't do that. Remus never seems to make any demands on Narcissa but children of course do.

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 21:01:11 UTC

Perhaps Narcissa isn't the model parent. Perhaps she doesn't have to be. I really do think she's trying her best, and that should be enough. Narcissa has had very little experience with parenting the way most people see it. She probably wasn't raised in a family that was the epitome of emotional love and care. You can't blame her for exercising what she knows. So what if she's not Molly Weasley? In fact, out of the two, I think Narcissa is the better mother, and I will continue to stand by this belief no matter how much it is argued.

I love Narcissa as a character, and I also love Lucius as a character, the same way that I love both of them as a couple. Narcissa's parenting does need work, I agree. But the answer to this is not living with Sirius and Remus. The answer to this is not attempting to do her own separate thing, and having her "own separate thing" blatantly contradict Lucius's idea of parenting. The answer is to work it out with Lucius and come to a compromise, because being told to do completely different things by both parents separately will just hurt Draco rather than help him through tough times.

What is she going to learn about parenting from living with Sirius and Remus?

All I'm trying to say is that maybe Narcissa needs to become a better person. I don't think so - I like her the way she is. Maybe Narcissa needs to work on being a better parent. Again, I don't think so, because how do you or I know, how does any of us know how Narcissa and Lucius really treat Draco? We have no idea. And maybe Narcissa does need to sort out her priorities. Once again, I respectfully disagree.

In any case, however, these problems are things that need to be worked out on her own, and they are not miraculously going to go away just because she is no longer living with her husband. Lucius is not an uber-evil force that corrupts and withers everything in sight. Lucius is a human being, not some Satan incarnate. True, he's not a very nice human being at all, but I'm willing to bet he loves his wife.

Furthermore, Narcissa does not need to be torn away from all that she knows and loves to "become a better person". Frankly, she wouldn't be able to stand it. Becoming a better person is something that she needs to work through by herself, and it doesn't matter where she's living.

Myself, I don't think Narcissa needs to become a better person. She is a wonderful person as it is. Characters don't always have to be perfect.

They also don't always have to be nice.

sistermagpie @ May 3 2003, 21:49:26 UTC

Perhaps Narcissa isn't the model parent. Perhaps she doesn't have to be. I really do think she's trying her best, and that should be enough. Narcissa has had very little experience with parenting the way most people see it. She probably wasn't raised in a family that was the epitome of emotional love and care. You can't blame her for exercising what she knows. So what if she's not Molly Weasley? In fact, out of the two, I think Narcissa is the better mother, and I will continue to stand by this belief no matter how much it is argued.

I agree with most of what you're saying regarding Narcissa and Lucius vs. Remus and Sirius. I do think that Lucius and Narcissa do love each other and would probably have been quite a happy couple without children, enjoying each other. Not everybody has to evolve to be more like the Gryffindors, imo. That's not right for everybody.

But Narcissa a good parent? Better than Molly? I don't see Molly as a model all mothers should conform to at all, but to call Narcissa a good parent--really to call her a parent at all at this point--is kind of chilling to me. Probably this is because of many of the reasons you mentioned about her own upbringing, but also because--and this is something she's made clear herself--Draco never inspired her to cherish him, put his needs ahead of her own or show him the affection a baby/young child would need. This pretty much defines their relationship now, it seems to me, and it's really not something that can be undone. They could begin to build a new relationship now, as adults, but it wouldn't change the years where there was a child wanting a mother and his mother not being there (unfortunately Draco doesn't seem to have had a replacement figure like a consistent Nanny who might have been able to fulfill that role). Narcissa removed herself in those early years, then Draco went to school. I don't see what basis you would have for claiming she's a good parent in an emotional sense. That she's not the worst person on earth or a consciously hurtful person yes, I would agree. But a good parent? That does surprise me.

Now, I felt a lot of sympathy for Narcissa when she went to her own mother, so yes, I'm sure that she didn't get the love and affection she wanted as a child either. I'm sympathetic to her as the child in her own parent/child situation but as the mother she just makes me wince.

sistermagpie @ May 3 2003, 20:44:16 UTC

I feel much the same. Maybe part of it is that in that as painful a place as this family is going through right now, I think it's pretty realistic--at least, that these kinds of marriages exist and Draco is one reasonable product of it. It's less realistic that either of them would suddenly change now. The funny thing is that in some ways it's really Draco who's the one who's changed priorities, suddenly wanting something real. But it makes more sense for him, being the teenager etc.

Vector's last post on the issue was pretty cutting--mentioning how Narcissa not only wanted a girl but made up an imaginary one was pretty thoughtlessly cruel and now that Narcissa is blaming her for Draco's not talking to her it could get ugly. I can just imagine him reading the two of them fighting about it. Both of them would rather have it be about the two of them rather than Draco, the totally unknown factor.

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 21:06:11 UTC

I simply can not understand why Vector thinks it's her place to interfere with the Malfoys' parenting. She's never shown anything but contempt towards Draco in the past, and now that his parents are doing something wrong she's on his side? (Which she's not, really--all she's trying to do is get back at Lucius and Narcissa, and for no reason, at that.)

It's obvious, IMO, that she shows no real concern for Draco. She's just using him as a reason to criticize the Malfoys, and it makes me sick.

Anonymous @ May 3 2003, 22:25:52 UTC ???

Vector? Contempt for Draco?

She's always tried her (flawed) best to be a mentor to him--at times her behavior has bordered on blatant favoritism.

She's mad at him about his recent post, but contempt? I don't see it in any way whatsoever.

sistermagpie @ May 4 2003, 07:38:26 UTC Re: ???

I think her views on the situation are pretty accurate, myself, especially her instincts about Draco having to fight for dignity and things like that. Where she makes mistakes, imo, is that she gets too into her vision of herself as being a great mentor and teacher and loses sight of Draco, so ends up insulting him or hurting him (by announcing, for instance, that Narcissa wanted a girl in her journal where Draco and the other students can read it).

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 19:55:20 UTC

It's just occured to me to wonder if Vector is going to reply to her post and start an argument that will be painful for any Little Dragons who might be reading...

Oh, I can't wait for Vector's response. She's always so intelligent about what she writes; her posts are informative to the extreme. About Draco being hurt, Narcissa's post in itself probably hurt Draco and I believe every comment made will make things worse for him, no matter who it is. He doesn't like having his personal life exposed for the world to see.

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 20:06:09 UTC

I think we foolishly get emotionally involved, thus wishing for what is best for the characters rather than what is most entertaining.

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 20:09:20 UTC Re:

I can't decide whether that was supposed to be sarcastic or not. I'm assuming it is.

Listen, I wish what's best for the characters too. (Well, the ones I like, anyway.) It's just that we seem to have very different ideas on what's best for them.

Let's leave it at that.

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 20:15:27 UTC Oh, and...

Just one more thing. Personally I find it more "enteratining" to read about a character that is evil, cruel and manipulative but still able to have emotions and form functional relationships than to read about a redeemed character. Redeeming a Malfoy takes away the three-dimensional element and makes him/her into a cardboard cutout.

That is all.

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 20:23:37 UTC Re: Oh, and...

I didn't mean to be as mean as you think I was. But it's true, sometimes people just want people to be "perfect" rather than entertaining, or for that matter, realistic. This is a flaw, I think, since realism ought to be preserved, and hoping people become our ideals is kinda presumptous and foolish.

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 20:36:15 UTC Re: Oh, and...

Sorry - I jumped to conclusions.

However, I don't quite see where this is going. IMO, hoping a character is suddenly "redeemed" by living with two mongrels for about three seconds is more hoping that character will become an ideal than hoping the character will live a happy life with their husband. Wouldn't being away make her more homesick than anything else?

*sigh* I'm not all too fond of this plot arc - nor was I fond of the very first one, now that I think back on it. We all go through periods of dislike, I suppose. ~.~

The point I'm trying to make here is that I think Narcissa is more emotionally affected by this than she's showing, and yes, I hope Lucius and Narcissa get back together. I don't see anything wrong with that statement, nor do I see where it would imply that I'm hoping any of the characters become "my ideals".

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 20:40:53 UTC Re: Oh, and...

I think she's emotionally affected and showing it a lot. Did you see her with the photograph. It was an ugly photograph. I'm saying that others are wishing that Narcissa becomes their ideal of a woman. This is considered best, because characters should be good. I dunno, I'm tired, I'm trying to justify what was a stupid thought that was had when I wished that Lucius would turn back soon, and then thought "but where's the fun in that?" I'm going to go take a nap. Ignore what I'm writing and sending because I'm too sleepy not to.

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 19:08:59 UTC

No, I don't think she's giving up, not really. I think she's just a little frustrated right now because Draco's not talking to her. She'll keep trying to communicate with him, I think.

thegirlingreen @ May 3 2003, 19:11:52 UTC

she always does. and she is having to deal with a whole lot... poor her...

sistermagpie @ May 3 2003, 19:28:28 UTC

She always gives up or she always tries to communicate with Draco?

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 19:36:08 UTC

That's just what I was wondering.

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 20:07:02 UTC

Yes.

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 20:18:25 UTC

Yes what? Please don't answer this with "yes."

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 20:27:17 UTC

I'm sorry. I really answered yes to appease a personal joke (also, it's true because P v Q is true if P is true and/or if Q is true). I personally think it was meant to mean "gives up" since she doesn't always try to talk to Draco, but I'm not behind it.

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 20:42:14 UTC

Oh. I'm not mad or anything, I just really didn't understand. I still don't understand the P and Q thing, but hey, whatever. :)

notapipe @ May 3 2003, 20:45:13 UTC

Logic. The truth table for the logical equivilent of "or", v, is:
P Q|PvQ
-----------
T T| T
T F| T
F T| T
F F| F

IOW, if either P or Q is true, the statement "P or Q" is true. Therefore, if either of the two you mentioned is true, then your statement is true.

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 21:05:09 UTC

*head spins* But I think I've got it. Thanks for explaning. :)

imochan @ May 3 2003, 21:07:27 UTC

no way you just managed to bring syllogisms into NA. *boggles*

myloveforyouissological!!

thegirlingreen @ May 4 2003, 08:49:49 UTC Re:

and i answer today instead of yesterday...

she always tries to communicate with draco.

^_^

sistermagpie @ May 4 2003, 08:58:44 UTC

??????

She does????? I would say their entire relationship is based on not communicating.

thegirlingreen @ May 4 2003, 09:26:55 UTC

yeah, i think she does. and definately more recently.

hm. i'd really like to follow that up with a fantasic explanation of my view on their whole relationship but i find myself unable to form coherent sentences and thoughts concerning my view on their whole relationship that would make sense to anyone reading. (and i also find myself wondering if my previous statement made sense to anyone reading.)

so i think i'll just stick with, "yeah, i think she does."

servalan @ May 3 2003, 20:48:30 UTC

I think it's telling that Shiny!Looshie was also trying to keep Narcissa with him.

At first, I'd thought he was just playing "the manipulative bastard who can't let his trophy wife leave him because it would cause scandal." However, I'm fairly sure that Shiny!Looshie was incapable of such a thing.

Hence, I side with the L/N-ers.

blankcanvas @ May 3 2003, 21:03:14 UTC

Oh, I just noticed! Narcissa is enraged!

adolfa @ May 3 2003, 21:08:44 UTC

...

There is hope.

nightshade24 @ May 3 2003, 23:47:39 UTC

I don't want Lucius and Narcissa to become redeemed, but I do want Narcissa to keep trying with Draco. I think that redeemable or not, she should be a good mother to her son. Especially since he needs her--whether he likes that fact or not.

But just my two cents.