bubblebee @ April 19 2004, 22:08:53 UTC

Oh. I see.

I think he's a little mad. Not much... just a little :)

Anonymous @ April 19 2004, 22:13:32 UTC

This is terrible. I feel sick.

jujusfoo @ April 19 2004, 22:21:12 UTC

yeah i know... i'm not sure whether i would believe that draco would say that stuff...

hezzabeth @ April 19 2004, 22:21:01 UTC

I'm sorry but Draco really should have known better.
I mean even he must have some vague idea about common courtesy and compassion.

slinkhard @ April 20 2004, 13:34:56 UTC

Harry should know better than to use violence, though.

hezzabeth @ April 20 2004, 23:10:23 UTC

Yes true.

sistermagpie @ April 20 2004, 14:45:09 UTC

I don't know if Hermione, in his eyes, is worthy of common courtesy and compassion.

hezzabeth @ April 20 2004, 23:08:10 UTC

Actually I was rethinking this last night and it all has to do with the theory of modern development.
And it kinda fits into what you're saying.
'If you grow up in a world for example where every one you know believes that somethings wrong or bad of course you're going to believe it yourself.
It's all to do with the third stage of beliefs the "copied faith" thats the stage Draco's currently at and untill he learns to explore and respect other ideals other then his own his not going to develop at all.

oneminutemovies @ April 19 2004, 22:33:46 UTC

You think, maybe? I think maybe Harry's about to go finish the job. Or something. Also find Lupin's phrase "all things considered" interesting. Draco has been awful, but it has to have been an unnerving visit home, to say the least. He may be trying to stay alive.

jujusfoo @ April 19 2004, 22:41:35 UTC

Yeah, but would his parents really know if he was atleast nice on the train?

oneminutemovies @ April 19 2004, 22:52:33 UTC

They're hearing all about everything that happened. I'm sure they would have heard if he was nice. It looks like what Harry had to go do was tell Lucius exactly what he thinks of him. Very good.

jupistrahan @ April 20 2004, 07:07:18 UTC

Somehow I'm awfully proud of Harry right now. Not only does he take a good swing at Darling Draco, but it seems that while he's upset with Draco, he knows where the root of the problem lies, and instead of attacking Draco, he spends his efforts on Lucius. I think Harry's trying to get the truth about Lucius into the light, and get Draco to see just how corrupt his father truly is, possibly even remove Lucius' influence from his son altogether. *schoogles Harry*

slinkhard @ April 20 2004, 08:51:34 UTC

I'm not.
I hate the way Harry and the Gryffindors use violence in the books to resolves things, and I know that since NA and canon are so strongly tied, they have to keep In Character and continue it, but it makes me sick, frankly.

mimulus_arbutus @ April 21 2004, 16:34:22 UTC

ditto. it's a good portrayal of an unfortunate aspect of cannon harry's character.
i understand his reasoning behind the violence, but he should have reacted in a better way.
the characters are ALL so stuck in their self-righteousness and intolerance, regardless of whichever "side" they are on, and they express these really big, scary feelings in whatever inappropriate way they have learned (taunting, physical violence, forming exclusive little hate groups, running away, etc).
It does make for a more exciting book (and likely more realistic, since people aren't usually very good at proper expression of these sorts of emotions), even if it seems to teach readers that violence is perfectly good - even brave - if it's "in the name of good" (which is also how the death eaters, al queda, and the nazis feel). it's a very dangerous part of what seems to be human nature.

slinkhard @ April 21 2004, 16:38:24 UTC

Word. I mean, little kids read the books.
And presumably think it's ok to beat up anyone who says something you don't agree with; and that the ends justifies the means in all cases (which if you take far enough, makes 'The Good Guys' no better than the Deatheaters - look at OotP, with Harry trying to perform Cruciatus and Kingsley, a member of the order using Imperius on a child...)