snackbreak @ April 27 2004, 19:03:14 UTC

I love Pansy. Gee, who could she possibly be referring to when she mentiones thrusting "a fist directly at her face in an intentional attempt to break her nose or some other part of her body"? She is making me sympathize with Draco. I can't help it! She is pure manipulative genius! =D

Also, on a different note... this is not the same cake as Ron's cake, I assume... so which brother sent it? Not Ron, as it is not slablike with tomatoes, and not George ((cries)). Bill? Percy?

dry_your_eyes @ April 27 2004, 19:38:15 UTC

it can be not from her brother at all. From Harry for example, who may consider himself her brother too. But maybe it's from Ron who asked Pansy to help him?:>

I also wonder who send the book and the tulip. Luna doesn't strike me as an Oscar Wilde type, maybe Pansy?

(seems like I'm obsessed with Pansy. See her everywhere :D)

moocow1985 @ April 27 2004, 22:42:29 UTC

Luna did post that Oscar Wilde poem (I think it was by Oscar Wilde - that's what one of you nragers said, I remember) right after George died. So it could presumably be her.

snackbreak @ April 28 2004, 00:14:44 UTC

It could be, but then again, it seems more of the gesture of someone attracted to her in some way... or am I reading that wrong? That's what makes it easier for me to think it's Luna... just because she's been feeling Weasley love lately.

Also... what's the deal with Evan? Ginny's not dating him is she? Did I completely miss something? Why would it matter if he "was alright with it" or not? Why would he NOT be alright with it, for that matter?

moocow1985 @ April 28 2004, 00:28:49 UTC

I took the "alright with it" to mean that he hadn't really noticed it or otherwise didn't care.

And I think she recently said outright that she was dating Evan. I think. I can't remember where, though.

black_dog @ April 28 2004, 01:04:06 UTC

I thought it was a brilliant little characterization of Evan, and indirectly of Ginny, too. Evan "seemed to be all right with it and was just shovelling his eggs." Evan = a little bit preoccupied, unperceptive, unromantic. Ginny = keeping score, a bit amused, reserving judgment.

hated_and_loved @ April 27 2004, 20:09:05 UTC

Excellent point about Pansy's comment that I didn't even notice the first time I read it; I was too busy mulling over this part of her post:

I cannot help but wonder how much more damage has Lavender inflicted upon herself, possibly even knowingly, if the rumours I've heard are true? I can only assume that she, like every one of us, has her own share of problems which, of course, might explain her behaviour.

She seems to be hinting that Draco's problems (with Harry? with his family?) are the reasons behind his behavior over the past week or so.

snackbreak @ April 28 2004, 00:07:40 UTC

She seems to be hinting that Draco's problems (with Harry? with his family?) are the reasons behind his behavior over the past week or so.

I completely agree with you. Despite what Pansy says, though, it's hard to excuse his behavior that much, even if there is some underlying reason like that.

I do think she is referring more to his family problems (or whatever it was that he needs to talk with Harry about) than about his actual estrangement from Harry... but that makes me wonder just how much she knows about what's going on with Draco. Hmm....

sistermagpie @ April 27 2004, 20:25:56 UTC

I love her too! I was hoping she'd post one of these, much as she did around this time last year...

I love her because she's so smooth, but there's always a grain of truth to what she's saying somewhere, which is probably why she comes across as the most dangerous of the Slytherins.

Go Pansy!

I do wonder about that cold going around Slytherin.

snackbreak @ April 28 2004, 00:10:11 UTC

Yes, I remember feeling so bad for Draco when I read what she had to say... which is pretty odd considering. Although I do think that there was probably a better way to handle PS's behavior than it was actually handled.

Hmm, maybe the same person that "cursed" Snape's computer? If it was in Hufflepuff, Ernie would be shouting conspiracy by now...

vassilissa @ April 28 2004, 03:21:11 UTC

Me too. I'm finding it a bit scary, actually.

jupistrahan @ April 27 2004, 21:51:24 UTC

*hugs Pansy* I was a little afraid to voice that idea - that had her arm not been broken by the fall, it wouldn't have been nearly as big a deal, and that Draco hadn't actually intended on breaking anything with a shove. *hides*

hezzabeth @ April 28 2004, 00:16:56 UTC

As much as I still hate Draco and refuse to forgive him, I think his situation could have been dealt with if people recognised the cause of his behaviour much sooner.His still a teenage boy, and like most boys his lashing out in a violent and destructive manner.
He needs help before he doe's something worse then breaking some ones arm.

slinkhard @ April 28 2004, 08:18:04 UTC

Hahaha! I love Pansy.
She does make undeniably logical points:
- it's ok for Harry to hit Draco, but not for Draco to shove Lavendar?
- Lavendar wouldn't have broken anything if she hadn't been starving herself
- It's no worse than any of the 'pranks' 'other houses' may have pulled.

"But, of course, I wonder if people would be so horribly upset if Draco had been injured, and Lavender the one to do the pushing, or would people merely assume he deserved it for some reason or another?"

Much love to Pansy's player :X

vassilissa @ April 28 2004, 08:30:50 UTC

- it's ok for Harry to hit Draco, but not for Draco to shove Lavendar?

Draco asked if Ron wasn't on the train because he was dead too, and said it was a pity it wasn't Hermione instead. Is the son of the man who probably killed Ron's brother.

Lavender, um, allowed Draco to kiss her? Was once kissed by Harry? Is anorexic?

Besides, AFAICT, Draco *wanted* Harry to break his nose. It was the closest he was going to get to him all day.

- Lavendar wouldn't have broken anything if she hadn't been starving herself
This would have been a better argument if Draco hadn't been systematically, publicly encouraging Lavender to starve herself. Didn't he advise her to stop eating at one point?

"But, of course, I wonder if people would be so horribly upset if Draco had been injured, and Lavender the one to do the pushing, or would people merely assume he deserved it for some reason or another?"

That, however, is sound: they probably would have assumed that. Of course, Lavender wouldn't push Draco without a reason. So far, Draco is yet to state a reason for pushing Lavender (my personal theory: he didn't like the kiss, and he was feeling miserable, and wanted to make someone else hurt.)

slinkhard @ April 28 2004, 08:40:02 UTC

So it's ok to hit people if they mouth off?
To me what Harry did was understandable, but unacceptable.
What Draco did was less understandable, but unacceptable.
Violence is violence. It's not right to attack someone.
What I'm uncomfortable with is the tone of the characters (and posters) who think it's justified to hit someone because they're unsympathetic.

"Is the son of the man who probably killed Ron's brother."

How is that Draco's fault? Harry is the son of the man who assaulted Snape, but it doesn't justify Snape victimizing him.

"Of course, Lavender wouldn't push Draco without a reason."

How do we know that?
How do we know Draco didn't have a reason?
If he did, it was probably an entirely unacceptable one for pushing a frail girl, but who decides what's acceptable?
If he'd had a reason, would it have been acceptable to push her?

"Lavendar wouldn't have broken anything if she hadn't been starving herself"

This would have been a better argument if Draco hadn't been systematically, publicly encouraging Lavender to starve herself. Didn't he advise her to stop eating at one point?

Now we're going into different territory ;)
Is it all right to post whatever you want to someone? It's condoned by the teachers (indeed, Sirius and Lupin in particular post threats with some frequency.)

I don't think it's right to be cruel and try to encourage someone who is obviously suffering from an illness, no.
But I also don't think it's right for the Gryffindors to chime in with their moral indignation when they haven't helped her particularly.

tabiji @ April 30 2004, 07:41:09 UTC

Mother sent a letter this morning, saying she has arrived in France safely with all her important things and wouldn't I reconsider joining her?

Why would Pansy's mother need to take 'all her important things' to France?? That makes it sound like she's planning for more than just a holiday.