| lazy_daze @ 2004-06-29 18:00:00 |
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Mood: 
melancholy
Ouch.
M.B. Yeah. Blunt and painful.
So if you are reading this and you are alive.
Know that you are the one who should have died.
Comments:
| mlle_skeetre @ June 29 2004, 17:02:47 UTC |
I had a feeling I was going to feel worst for Millicent. And now it's confirmed. I have to go lie down.
(parent)| sistermagpie @ June 29 2004, 17:03:13 UTC |
Oh my god, what a beautiful, beautiful picture. I can't get over it. Must save.
Wonder if anyone will challenge her on the sentiment.
*Goes back to look at that picture again.*
| sistermagpie @ June 29 2004, 17:05:04 UTC |
And the picture file is unholytrio. I love MB so much. That was just what I was going to save it as.
(parent)| sistermagpie @ June 29 2004, 17:08:33 UTC |
Perhaps because, for instance, Mrs. Weasley lost her George and Charlie and wouldn't have said Pansy was the one who should have died?
(parent)| mlle_skeetre @ June 29 2004, 17:15:27 UTC |
Perhaps that was meant as an introspective statement. See also "Except no one else lost their Pansy."
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Anonymous @ June 29 2004, 17:19:50 UTC |
Yes, and...well, it seems very M.B., but I don't like the sentiment (that I seem to see in the post) that their pain is greater than everyone else's (Except no one else had to break the news to him.
Except no one else lost their Pansy.). The other people who died had families and loved ones and hopes and dreams, too. I feel awful about Pansy's death and I'm angry about the way she died, but the other people who died are just as great of a loss, especially the other students.
But, like I said, that post seems very M.B.
| sistermagpie @ June 29 2004, 17:24:46 UTC |
ITA. Very M.B., but can't agree with the sentiment (Neville's got it right). Especially since M.B. was very harsh about the Weasleys (in ways Draco wasn't). So this is in character for her, which is good, but the other losses are just as much losses.
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Anonymous @ June 29 2004, 17:28:42 UTC |
And Draco just blew up at Neville. Ouch.
Yeah, I thought M.B. was actually crueler about the Weasleys than Draco.
...ITA?
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Anonymous @ June 29 2004, 17:43:51 UTC |
thanks.
M.B. posted it again, so I guess it was Neville who'd deleted it.
| susan_voight @ June 29 2004, 18:06:58 UTC |
It figures--delete the comment because Draco explodes, get mocked for cowardice by Millicent.
I'm very fond of Neville but I really want to tell him about discretion sometimes being the better part of valour. Oh well.
| dragynville @ June 29 2004, 18:39:23 UTC |
Even if he meant it in a sympathetic way, it would not have gone over well after his recent antagonism towards Draco.
(parent)| dragynville @ June 29 2004, 21:46:21 UTC |
Thank you. ^^
Feel free to use it, or one of the others I posted, if you like. :)
| susan_voight @ June 29 2004, 22:29:01 UTC |
Exactly what I meant. I believe he's been feeling sympathetic towards Draco and Millicent over Pansy--and I agree with his comment--but that was neither the time nor the place.
(parent)| shusu @ June 29 2004, 18:04:13 UTC |
I turn my back and a thread goes live! Wah.
This is all devastation all over again.
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malafede @ June 30 2004, 08:43:29 UTC |
I can't agree with the sentiment either, but. Pansy just died. That's how Millicent reacted. Blaming her for being unfair makes me think about the anon in the Draco thread who was worried Draco hadn't publically apologised for loving his evil father.
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Anonymous @ June 30 2004, 20:24:25 UTC |
Well, you know what, at least no one is creating ljs in the same vein as "wehadseven" or "wehavesix," whichever M.B. made when the Weasley died. Sorry, but M.B. gets no sympathy for me when she acts this way.
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adolfa @ June 29 2004, 17:08:33 UTC |
can ANYBODY upload that photo onto a server that will load?!?!
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fevvy @ June 29 2004, 19:13:38 UTC |
all the words in the world have nothing on that picture, especially draco's HAIR! although, i agree with all the above comments (if that's possible) but most especially with the general trio conceit that their pain over loss will always be greater than others'. that really bothers me. Friendships in N_A are equally strongly felt elsewhere.
fevvs.
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adolfa @ June 29 2004, 23:59:26 UTC |
I disagree. Draco's shirt is what really got it for me.
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Anonymous @ June 29 2004, 19:45:50 UTC |
That last bit sounds like survivor's guilt. You should feel guilty that you are alive when others aren't.
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Anonymous @ June 29 2004, 20:03:57 UTC |
I find Neville's comments inappropriate. I understand how he would feel sympthetic to the crucio cases, but I think I missed the memo where he was public about it. So, I think, to most people he's just talking out of his ass. He hasn't lost anyone close to him in this attack and I find him tactless. His comment about feeling sorry for Draco was horrible! I'm probably way out there with this, but I wish Neville would stop commenting on the attack. I feel it's like watching a train wreck every time he does.
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Anonymous @ June 29 2004, 20:36:20 UTC |
Well, Remus was Neville's favorite teacher. I think Neville has an interesting perspective about the events. And he is sincere.
(parent)| snackbreak @ June 29 2004, 21:24:13 UTC |
What did Neville say? Where is the part wher ehe says he feels sorry for Draco? Was that the deleted post?
(parent)| darcourt @ June 29 2004, 21:52:34 UTC |
I think that was referring to the bottom of this post.
(parent)| darcourt @ June 29 2004, 22:16:25 UTC |
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one to react that way to Neville. I guess Neville has always seemed rather disingenuous to me, especially compared to the other Gryffindor boys. He keeps bringing up Draco, and it feels like he's trying to show how fair-minded and sensitive he is -- but it would be way more sensitive for him to just leave the Slytherins be right now. They know that he's never liked them. He would probably be one of the last people Draco or M.B. would want "sympathy" from right now. I'm not really sure whether that last bit of M.B.'s entry is her showing guilt or her wanting to blame someone or whatever, but she is still grieving right now and I think it's pretty out of line for Neville of all people to try to tell her that what she's feeling is wrong. Millicent feels the way she feels, everyone grieves differently, and unless you have a degree in psychology, trying to tell someone that their emotions are wrong just comes off as being self-righteous and insensitive.
I guess my real problem with Neville is that he always seems to assume that, because of the bad stuff in his past, he knows exactly what other people are going through any time they experience tragedy. I remember him posting something along the lines of, "Hey, I know how you're feeling," to the Weasleys after that fiasco. The thing is, that always sounds offensive to people who are grieving. I don't know why, really. Maybe it seems patronizing.
| sistermagpie @ June 30 2004, 03:21:59 UTC |
That's actually something I've been really impressed with with Neville because it seems intentional (from the player). Like, Neville's always been very canon in that he's a good guy, but you can also see that he's isolated and why. Not because he's a jerk but it's just...believeable. I feel like his posts since the attack have been that way too, on purpose. It's very hard to describe but I get the same impression you do. It's not necessarily something bad about Neville--like that he's secretly really trying to stick it to the Slytherins. It's more like he just doesn't get something even while he understands others. I think the "train wreck" quality the anon mentioned is definitely there...not even necessarily just with regards to the Slytherins.
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malafede @ June 30 2004, 08:39:42 UTC |
Personally? I found this disgusting.
I guess I want to say is I never thought I would ever be so sorry for Draco Malfoy. I can't imagine how he must feel, knowing that his father was involved, murdering children, including some from his own house.
Translation: I'll make myself look good while reminding this person I hate that his father is the source of all (children killing) evil. And just after his father died! How merciful of me.
/bitter
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ann_and_jude @ June 30 2004, 16:39:32 UTC |
I think that's kinda unfair. He's actually *trying* to be sympathetic to someone he normally doesn't like, even if he's not saying it quite right. It's hard to know how to say it right when someone's died, you know? Neville doesn't seem like the kind of person to make himself look good at someone else's expense.
Besides, Draco and MB and other characters have said a bunch of mean stuff on purpose over the years, but everyone just loves that and thinks it's okay. So how come Neville is suddenly awful just because he was trying to be nice and it didn't come out maybe the way it should have?
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malafede @ June 30 2004, 19:35:06 UTC |
I know it's unfair. That's what the "bitter" tag was for. :/ I mean, clearly I have a problem with Neville's efforts to come across as nice at all costs, because this kind of passive-aggressiveness disturbs me. It's a very personal reaction, but: I can't imagine why would he want to word his "condolences" that way if he wasn't trying to twist the knife in some way.
It's true that Draco and Millicent say awful stuff - a lot worse than this. I am not claiming they have the moral high-ground at all. I guess I am more indulgent with them because they never pretended to be something different.
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ann_and_jude @ June 30 2004, 19:48:33 UTC |
I dunno - I guess I just don't see this Neville as being a "twist the knife" kind of person. He's always seemed pretty straightforward, just a simple nice guy who's doing his best, but messes up sometimes, just like with potions or whatever. In the books he's always seemed like that, anywya, just earnest, and I don't see 
wheresmytoad being that different. He just talks more, I guess. But I don't htnik he meant to be mean.
I guess I'm more willing to look at it like that since he's always seemed pretty nice. I'm usually madder at Draco for being mean on purpose, even if he's like that a lot. Well, I don't mean right now, but, you know, awhile ago.
| carcinya @ June 30 2004, 08:41:42 UTC |
"So if you are reading this and you are alive.
Know that you are the one who should have died."
She's talking about the DE who killed Pansy, right?
| slinkhard @ June 30 2004, 09:44:14 UTC |
Aw. For some reason I feel worst for Crabbe - his comment 'i miss pansy' - :(
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